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Albert
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« on: December 25, 2006, 09:08:56 AM »

Does anyone have any information on this city, do you know in what book it is described? Any information is very welcome as my Group will soon pay the place a visit.


Edit: It's on the edges between the Kaladruns and erenland, a bit south of Low rock, in case you had trouble finding it on the map.
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« Reply #1 on: December 26, 2006, 01:28:54 PM »

I think there's some info in Hammer and Shadow, somewhere in one of the "War of X" chapters.
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« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2006, 10:11:50 AM »

Hmm, I'll have a look there then. It's not in the index, but the indexes of some books are pretty useless.
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« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2006, 03:45:48 PM »

Like the indexes for most Midnight supplements. Tongue
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« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2006, 09:05:46 AM »

It's in "The War of Stone" chapter of Hammer & Shadow. Appearantly it's a ruin from which the orcs patrol to cut the southern Kaladruns apart from the Capital.

This, although the passage I remembered having read, didn't tell me much though. I guess I'll have to make some stuff up myself.



As a sidethought: I like the armies posted at erenhead: 120000 orcs, several hundred sarcosan riders, and a whole thousand archers, oh my, sounds like a very well supported infantry force:P. I can see why they need dragons and legates on their side.
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« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2006, 09:36:27 AM »

The only mention of Kardoling I found in "Hammer & Shadow" lies page 39, under "Shadow Forces". It won't help you much though, since it's about 3 lines long. It's only vaguely described as an orcish base of operations.

Hope this helps.

And yes, an index would have been nice indeed.
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« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2006, 04:53:14 PM »

Midnight 2E has something of a paragraph on it too, truly not enough, but that lets you use it as you want instead of making you work to fit it into your game.
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« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2006, 05:33:49 PM »

Midnight 2E has something of a paragraph on it too, truly not enough, but that lets you use it as you want instead of making you work to fit it into your game.

Nif, you are a better Shadow librarian than me! 

Can you please specify the page number, as it would save me some time searching for it? (I just noticed that it escaped my attention when I wrote my M2e gazetteer, so I'll try and fill that one gap).
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« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2006, 05:48:08 PM »

I am not finding it right now, I will give it a try again on the next year though, I am pretty certain I read something on it there, though now I am doubting myself...
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« Reply #9 on: December 31, 2006, 07:39:38 AM »

I'm pretty sure there's nothing in M2E, I've been looking for three lines for a while, mostly because I thought there was more.
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« Reply #10 on: December 31, 2006, 08:00:23 AM »

I do not often mistake myself though,  will have to check it carefully before I say there isn't anything.
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« Reply #11 on: January 02, 2007, 03:56:30 PM »

Given the limited writing that has been done on this city I'm writing a pretty lengthy piece to use as a reference for my own campaign, once I've made a final draft I'll post it here for your critique or use.
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« Reply #12 on: January 02, 2007, 04:02:06 PM »

I can't wait to see it!
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« Reply #13 on: January 04, 2007, 05:50:58 PM »

Here, for once I keep my promise to wrote something and post it angel.
There's about a page of general description, a page of more dm stuff and four NPCs (descriptions, no stats, though if you're interested I'll probably stat them up with Bleak house rules for use in my campaign anyway).

Edit: Okay, the document has been slightly revised, and I've proofread a little (though I'm not too good at that sort of thing). Bleak promised to put borders on later.

* Kardoling revised.rtf (22.6 KB - downloaded 393 times.)
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« Reply #14 on: January 05, 2007, 12:41:07 AM »

Gonna have to give this a read in da marnin', when I have the stamina to plow through this many words. Looks promising though.

EDIT: Oit! 'Tis well beeond da marnin', so 'ere ar da commentz!

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It would seem that Gaalak neglects his garrison in Kardoling, preferring instead to focus his attentions on Low Rock which is to be the staging point of the greatest shadow armor in the Kaladruns soon.
Why would he do that, if the majority of his troops are there? Also, it strikes me as a strategic blunder to move most troops out of the mountains, especially under the command of someone old. If Heknar dies, Gaalak risks loosing control of the forces at Kardoling, which you state is the largest part of the Black Spear tribe's warriors. Very dangerous.

Are these warriors intended for the war of stone, or are they merely a garrison? If the latter is true, it seems Gaalak is squandering a lot of troops who would be put to better use in the mountains.

I really, really like Heknar. He is awesome. Absolutely, totally awesome.

All in all, this is pretty awesome. There's background, descriptions, and both shadow and insurgent problems. Again, Heknar rocks. I'd give it an extra read to get rid of those pesky grammatical and sentence-construction errors, though.

Have cookie. And another one if you fix the garrison size, the grammar, and send it to me so I can add a nifty border and make it into a pdf.
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« Reply #15 on: January 06, 2007, 06:20:34 AM »

I've read it. Excellent stuff. Have a cookie!
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« Reply #16 on: January 06, 2007, 09:00:23 AM »

I'm not the one who put Gaarak in Low Rock and all 12000 of his troops in Kardoling with no leader mentioned, the writers of MN2 and Hammer did that. It is also mentioned in hammer that the purpose of the troops is to cut of the northern/central kaladruns from the southern parts. But with all the interesting stuff happening in Low Rock I can see why Gaarak wants to stay there, while he lets the majority of his troops sit in Kardoling to fullfill the task his tribe has been given. I didn't mention this in my article since it would basicly be rewriting stuff that is already in hammer and MN2, but I could include it, so that all the info on the area is collected in one place.

Okay, I'll think I'll clean up the text, give a few words about why Gaarak has done what he's done, and send it to you for PDFing and uploadification.
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« Reply #17 on: January 06, 2007, 03:38:01 PM »

Roger on the 12k orcs. However, I think the intent is that they are operating out of Kardoling, not sitting on their asses there and partolling the immediate vicinity. They are fighting along a large portion of the Spinewall Range, if memory serves me right.

Looking forward to a nice clean text. Smiley
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« Reply #18 on: January 07, 2007, 08:28:26 AM »

Did my text give the impression that they're just hanging out there? I'll have to see if some stuff can be reworded then.

Btw, you can correct any obvious mistakes that are still in it when you get it, if it bothers you. I'll be going through a couple of times but it's easy to miss mistakes in stuff you wrote yourself.
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« Reply #19 on: January 14, 2007, 08:41:15 AM »

Okay, I've posted a modifed version now. Feel free to correct any obvious mistakes before putting on pretty borders bleak.
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« Reply #20 on: January 14, 2007, 12:22:39 PM »

Gonna take some time. I have multiple computer problems atm.
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« Reply #21 on: January 22, 2007, 04:57:05 PM »

Okay, all mentions of Kardoling on Midnight 2nd edition: page 262 under Low Rock and on page 266 under against the dwarves. That is it, I was mistaken, though there are some kind of info on it Hammer probably takes precedence over those.
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