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« on: December 16, 2006, 01:06:37 PM »

I have recently spoke to Rob Vaughn regarding the future releases and 2007 schedule for Midnight, he replied to me with a little bit of information that you will all like to hear:

"There are definitely two Midnight sourcebooks on schedule for next year; both will probably be 64-page softcovers, but one may be something bigger, depending on the attention the Midnight Chronicles project receives. "

So we are now left to wonder which supplements those will be and why one of them might get larger based on the Chronicles movie feedback.
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« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2006, 03:10:25 AM »

That's a really good news.

Now the bets are open as to what the two 2007 supplements will cover.  Smiley Cool

My guess:
- a 64-page Dorn sourcebook (what else?  mrgreen)
- a short campaign that could be expanded?  shock
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« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2006, 05:05:07 AM »

I am also betting on Dorns, but the second one I am not really certain, given that the Chronicles seem to have a good focus on the Order of Shadow I will place my bet on that. Wink
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« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2006, 09:23:28 AM »

The second one's probably going to be something tying in with the Midnight Chronicles series. I wouln't be surprised if it included stats and descriptions of people and things encountered in the film, and maybe an adventure/campaign to complement the story.
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« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2006, 01:20:26 PM »

The second one's probably going to be something tying in with the Midnight Chronicles series. I wouln't be surprised if it included stats and descriptions of people and things encountered in the film, and maybe an adventure/campaign to complement the story.

Bleak,

I think your guess is right. Now, let's wait and see. Perhaps FFG will be kind enough to give us more details in a not so far future...  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2006, 04:59:26 PM »

I doubt it, really, it would not mesh well with how FFG has worked with the setting and its time line and meta plot until now, additionally the latest behind the scenes installment has talkins of the production being somewhat focused on the legates and their doings.

If this was WotC I would bet the product would be just what you said, with FFG and the way they treated Midnight so far, that would probably be a loss of money, unless they ake the book realluy good, i would not pay money to get stats for characters used in a series at all.
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« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2006, 08:42:17 PM »

I am going to point out that FFG still sticks to the dogma of other d20 roleplaying games (headed by WoC of course), which states that game mechanics sell better than the good stuff. We all know this isn't true for Midnight (compare the fans' responses to the different books and you'll see the pattern), but that's what they are sticking with.
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« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2006, 02:42:15 AM »

I agree about the dorn supplement (at last!!!) but what about the gnomes and the halflings???????
if it is about the chronicles, how about some sort of campain following the movie?
 Like Nif said, ffg have made no less than 4 (city, minions, heart, hands) supplement specially designed for the legates and their scions or story....
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« Reply #8 on: December 18, 2006, 09:07:10 AM »

Bleak, you are right that they sitck with mechanics, but that is to make suplements attractive to players as well as GMs, I really believe a supplement on the film or something too closely tied to it would probably fall dead on its release, I have absolutely no interest in that kind of thing, if they want to stat the characters they better make that on the DVD case with a small booklet and not on a book for the RPG line.

it would also go directly against how they got feedback on Legends even bevore it was released and even after, most comments are on the background and text of the characters and not on their mechanics, we could not care less to that. I would rather have a book focused on the ordeer itself, we did have city, minions, heartt and hand, but none of them takes the ordedr as a focus, which could be a great expansion to the game too.

A book with many sects detailed, their internal politics, how the lot of them interact, how the power is divided among them through out Eredane, how those sects relate to the Devout and the Cabal and more detail on the rituals and ceremonies dedicated to the dark god, how the order spreads the word of Izrador and things like that. mechanically it would have prestige classes, new domains, new spells, new feats and also, statted NPCs.

Surely not an easy book to make and even harder to give it a high quality content, but one much more interesting than Hand, for one example.
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« Reply #9 on: December 18, 2006, 11:18:17 AM »

A book with many sects detailed, their internal politics, how the lot of them interact, how the power is divided among them through out Eredane, how those sects relate to the Devout and the Cabal and more detail on the rituals and ceremonies dedicated to the dark god, how the order spreads the word of Izrador and things like that. mechanically it would have prestige classes, new domains, new spells, new feats and also, statted NPCs.

The Order sects are already described in M2E, with enough detail for my tastes.

And various supplements have already added touches to the Order. Although I agree none of them focuses on the Order alone, I don't want additional info about the Order. IMHO, this topic has been done to (un)death.

Actually I don't care much about the Order beyond what's covered in M2E. The only thing that would make me raise an eyebrow would be additional knowledge about Beirial the Betrayer, and this alone would not make me buy such a supplement.

Sorry Nif, but our tastes clearly differ on this topic!  Wink
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« Reply #10 on: December 18, 2006, 12:03:56 PM »

I suspect they won't unleash any great knowledge of Beirial in any Dorn book, but perhaps in something tied to the film, since that site has already dropped the name "Beirial" in their character list.

Still, I will remain sceptical to anything involving metaplots (such as an eventual book based off the film). It's probably going to show up though.
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« Reply #11 on: December 18, 2006, 02:17:05 PM »

Well, i would not care much for a book on criminal organization on Eredane myself and i know you would lvoe it, so we have diverged on taste before already. I think the Order with sects, the devaout and the cabal and the approaches to the cult of the dark god alone could call for another layer of intrigue, schemes, treachery and conflict, on top of the ones that have ben presented well enough in other books, like Legates X Orcs and the Night Kings personal conflicts with one another.

But I doubt any book would give me as much pleasure right now as a Halfling and Danisil book, and then a Gnomish one, plust i feel the Miransil deserved some more respect and writing, they are always forgotten when one speaks of elves...
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« Reply #12 on: December 18, 2006, 04:08:48 PM »

In addition to hoping for more books, I'm hoping they'll have the balls to stop the setting before it gets ridiculous, like Forgotten Realms.

Books I want:

Dorn book.
Adventure.
Shadows of the Past - Gaming in the First, Second and Third Ages. New classes (defender's gotta go out?), appropriate PrCs, and game material on the most important conflicts in Eredane's history.
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« Reply #13 on: December 18, 2006, 04:35:03 PM »

But I doubt any book would give me as much pleasure right now as a Halfling and Danisil book, and then a Gnomish one, plust i feel the Miransil deserved some more respect and writing, they are always forgotten when one speaks of elves...

I agree with you on that one.

It would make me happy to have a book about the "not yet covered" fey races.

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« Reply #14 on: December 19, 2006, 08:42:02 AM »

I am with Bleak on this one, I would love to see a book on the Dorns, and a book detailing the earlier ages of Eredane. I can't imagine two better books to round out the setting. I will be sorely disappointed if the second release is a "movie" supplement. Any DM worth his salt can watch the film and glean what he needs, we hardly need it spelled out for us in a book.
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« Reply #15 on: December 19, 2006, 11:56:38 AM »

I'm with most of you, a Dorn sourcebook would be great, and something based on the movie would be a huge mistake on FFG's part.  How about a sourcebook giving some detail on the rest of the world, outside of Eredane?  This could end up being a whopping big hardcover, and would enrich the setting immensely.  There's still got to be some interaction going on between the cultures of Eredane and those of the other continent(s), even if only at the level of smuggling or coastal raiding; maybe a campaign-length adventure covering an invasion?

I don't want to see "Shadows of the Past", since it pretty much wouldn't be Midnight anymore once you roll the timeline back to the Third Age or earlier.

I wonder if they've ever given any thought to getting a decent author to write some novels based on the setting (by decent I don't mean someone like R. A. Salvatore, I mean someone who can write their way out of a wet paper bag).  I'm not at all a fan of what TSR/WotC has done with the Forgotten Realms or Dragonlance novels (too many, and they mostly suck), but with the wealth of plot possibilities already inherent in Midnight, this could be a big hit, especially if the movie is successful...  Perhaps as part of the (eventual) wrap-up of the setting they could commission a short series of novels covering the downfall of Izrador (or his ultimate triumph, whichever)...?
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« Reply #16 on: December 19, 2006, 02:43:12 PM »

If they do that, I'm betting it's going to be a novelization (is that a word?) of the movie. Tongue
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« Reply #17 on: December 19, 2006, 08:21:30 PM »

Yes, that's a word, and I would guess you're probably right (although I think that would be a mistake too).  Actually, I'm still trying to figure out why the heck they would go out on a limb and make a movie for Midnight in the first place.  Seems really risky, and isn't at all typical of an RPG company, the couple of WotC-sponsored D&D movies (which were both fairly dismal efforts) notwithstanding.  I'm guessing they somehow got an unexpected influx of funds specifically earmarked for a film, possibly from a rich fan.  I can't convince myself that it makes any kind of good business sense to make a film of Midnight (as great as I think it is as an RPG setting) at this juncture.  As passionate as I'm sure the cast and director are about the project, how good could it possibly turn out to be?  Granted, the setting is far superior to anything else out there (except possibly AGoT, which could never be adapted), and the general appeal is probably high (due to the similarity to LotR, ya can't deny it), but how can it be anything but a losing venture, even if it becomes a Sci-Fi Channel miniseries or something of that nature? 
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« Reply #18 on: December 19, 2006, 09:48:57 PM »

They're doing it because it's Christian T Peterson's dream to do something like this, and he's been saving up for it for years.

My theory, anyway. (And not meant to sound derogatory).
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« Reply #19 on: December 20, 2006, 08:11:58 AM »

I hate to be a cynic about the Midnight Movie, but I was not impressed at all by what I've seen thus far. It looked like a fan film at it's worst and the DnD sci-fi movie at it's best.
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« Reply #20 on: December 20, 2006, 08:32:20 AM »

I wouldn't go that far.  The (admittedly very short) snippets of acting seemed fairly good.  The script can't possibly be any worse than either of the D&D movies, and what little we've seen of the makeup and costumes, while not exactly Lord of the Rings' caliber, are certainly a step above Jeremy Irons in blue lipstick, LOL.  I think if we don't raise our expectations too high, it should be entertaining, and we know that it will at least remain true to the spirit of the Midnight setting.  I'd be way surprised if FFG were more than mildly successful at marketing it, though.  I'm guessing it'll go straight to DVD, at a boutique price that will turn off anyone other than we die-hard fans; maybe it'll be on Sci-Fi or somewhere like that first, but I'm not too hopeful.  As far as sequels or a continuing series, I don't see how it could happen.  Sorry for all the doom and gloom; what do I know anyway Smiley
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« Reply #21 on: December 20, 2006, 01:57:54 PM »

It is a TV series atetmpt, so i would say it fits well where i expected it to be, in the style of Xena: The Warrior Princess and Hercules: The Legendary Journeys, both of which are nothing of any quality beyond pure entertainement. It hasn't impressed me other than the scenes specific to Midnight, like the Sundering and Theros Obsidia, which are always a good resource to show players. I hope the story will be more interesting than said series, though.

Acting does seem good, scenarios average to lower than that, make up seems a littel too faked, Grpahical Effects are good or better though. But then it is just a trialer, hard to judge what it will actually be in the end, they might make it entirely differnt with the computer artists working on it.

I place it any place higher than the D&D movie I ahev seen (heard there is actually other, a sequel!), and with a far lower budget, but surely much lower than LotR but with an incredibly far lower budget too. I doubt they will amk the series happen too, probably DVD will be the onyl thing we will see of it, but hoppefully it works for thema s they wanted, a way of making Landroval get some attention. Midnight will eventually fade into a group of die hard fans that own nearly everything of it, which would be us. Wink
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« Reply #22 on: December 21, 2006, 08:11:27 PM »

I think we already have, matey.

Anyway, I'd just like to point out that Rob Vaughn actually states flat-out that the size of the second product may vary in size, depending on the success of Midnight Chronicles. That pretty much proves what it will be...
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« Reply #23 on: December 22, 2006, 12:26:52 AM »

Maybe, but thats not a sure thing. They could be hoping that the movie generates some general interest in the setting and they are waiting to decide what will happen with that second product once they have some feedback on that front.
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« Reply #24 on: December 23, 2006, 04:06:06 PM »

Midnight deserves a book for each of the remaining races, and one for the past. Then it deserves to rest. In no way does it deserve a film-based book. My 2 cents anyway.

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