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« on: August 14, 2009, 09:31:06 PM »

First and most importantly: I'm not naming names or giving any more specific information, but the Midnight RPG is not dead.

Secondly, I picked up the Midnight Chronicles DVD. AFAIK it has all the items DTRPG has, but I'll list what the case says is here:

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- Featurette: From Game to Film: The Making of Midnight Chronicles
- Visual Effects Breakdown
- Deleted Scenes

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- PDF of the final shooting script
- PDF of the complete Midnight 2nd Edition roleplaying game core book
- An exclusive roleplaying adventure module for use with the Dungeons & Dragons roleplaying game, set in the locales of the Midnight Chronicles.

"The Midnight Chronicles adventure module is intended for use with the 4th Edition Dungeons & Dragons Roleplaying Game and requires the use of the D&D Player's Handbook, Monster Manual, Dungeon Master's Guide, Player's Handbook 2, and Adventurer's Vault core rulebooks, available from Wizards of the Coast, LLC."

Both I and FFG will be here for another two days, so if there's anything you'd like me to check out please ask.
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« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2009, 11:31:06 PM »

Thanks for the report, Glacialis. That's encouraging news, about the RPG not being dead (but that having been said, it's not like I need new material to keep my game alive).  So if you're not going to break the silence, when and where might we expect an announcement to be made about the setting's future?
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« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2009, 12:26:08 AM »

That I don't know. I wasn't given anything specific, just several unsubtle hints since they couldn't officially say anything.

Not like this is sekrit news or anything, just something to give us hope. Smiley
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« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2009, 12:46:47 AM »

What the hell is with the media blackout from FFG? We've been in the dark about what's going on with Midnight since production on Veil and Shadow dropped off almost a year ago. Why would the not want to tell their fanbase what the future of the product they hope to sell to them looks like?
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« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2009, 12:52:05 AM »

They probably don't have anything for sure. Its most likely still up in the air. The lack of any date for anouncement is key proof of that. if anything this seems like stalling.
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« Reply #5 on: August 15, 2009, 06:36:27 AM »

Since the adventure is 4th edition, can you find out if FFG is going to stay with that rule set or move to something else (Patfinder, warhammer, etc)?

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« Reply #6 on: August 15, 2009, 07:11:01 AM »

Kane, that's something I specifically can't get info on. All I know is that something is in the works, but it feels like the deal's not done yet so there may be legal or contractual issues to sort out yet.
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« Reply #7 on: August 15, 2009, 09:25:40 AM »

Let's cross fingers then...
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« Reply #8 on: August 15, 2009, 09:50:19 AM »

Kane, that's something I specifically can't get info on. All I know is that something is in the works, but it feels like the deal's not done yet so there may be legal or contractual issues to sort out yet.

Thanks again, Glacialis.

I, for one, feel that FFG could learn alot from Paizo's approach to customer relations and communications. Even if NDAs currently prevent them from giving info about specific projects, the least they could do is come out and say that themselves. The fans made the setting the success it has been, and the fan base ultimately suggested that the setting might generate enough broader interest that FFG even made a movie out of it -- for them to be completely ignored for more than a year is simply poor business practice on the part of FFG, IMO. And for that reason, while Midnight remains my favourite campaign setting (for the time being), as a game publisher Paizo commands far more respect and loyalty from me.
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« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2009, 01:04:58 PM »

I, for one, feel that FFG could learn alot from Paizo's approach to customer relations and communications. Even if NDAs currently prevent them from giving info about specific projects, the least they could do is come out and say that themselves. The fans made the setting the success it has been, and the fan base ultimately suggested that the setting might generate enough broader interest that FFG even made a movie out of it -- for them to be completely ignored for more than a year is simply poor business practice on the part of FFG, IMO. And for that reason, while Midnight remains my favourite campaign setting (for the time being), as a game publisher Paizo commands far more respect and loyalty from me.

Well said.
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« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2009, 05:02:44 PM »

Well, I'm glad to hear that Midnight still has a pulse, somewhere.

thanks for the update Galcialis.
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« Reply #11 on: August 15, 2009, 10:24:06 PM »

Thanks again, Glacialis.

I, for one, feel that FFG could learn alot from Paizo's approach to customer relations and communications. Even if NDAs currently prevent them from giving info about specific projects, the least they could do is come out and say that themselves. The fans made the setting the success it has been, and the fan base ultimately suggested that the setting might generate enough broader interest that FFG even made a movie out of it -- for them to be completely ignored for more than a year is simply poor business practice on the part of FFG, IMO. And for that reason, while Midnight remains my favourite campaign setting (for the time being), as a game publisher Paizo commands far more respect and loyalty from me.

Damn straight. I'm not saying that they come to us in particular and make a statement ... just something in general. 'We're working on something but it's up in the air."

Poor communication with their fanbase ... Paizo has been much more impressive in that regard. Hell, Palladium has been better.
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« Reply #12 on: August 16, 2009, 02:03:17 AM »

I too agree with TwiceBorn.

I've not had much experience with contacting other companies, but I did contact FFG several times over the years and it was always lacking...
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« Reply #13 on: August 17, 2009, 06:08:29 PM »

This and the fact that Dark Sun is the next setting means that midnight will most likely be using the 4th edition ruleset, there are many similarities between dark sun and Midnight in terms of grimness and grittiness. Wink
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« Reply #14 on: August 17, 2009, 08:21:57 PM »

DARK SUN?! *faints*

This has been a very good week. Smiley
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« Reply #15 on: August 17, 2009, 08:31:33 PM »

Dark Sun ... interesting ... I can almost hear the emo of Greyhawk fans from here.
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« Reply #16 on: August 17, 2009, 09:20:07 PM »

Yes, Dark Sun, and not any dark sun but theya re going back to the originalk boxed set timeline too! This will prove how gritty 4th edition can be. Wink
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« Reply #17 on: August 17, 2009, 11:53:00 PM »

I too agree with TwiceBorn.

I've not had much experience with contacting other companies, but I did contact FFG several times over the years and it was always lacking...

My current irritant, and this may seem petty, is that I pre-ordered the DVD from FFG on July 26. They charged my card on that same day. The release date has come and gone, yet the status of my order remains "pending." Yes, I know, they closed the shop and all went to GenCon, and won't be back until the 19th of August. But couldn't they have mailed the pre-ordered DVDs a few days before the release date, like Paizo did with their pre-ordered Pathfinder RPGs? I mean, come on, I live in Canada, it's not like the thing would arrive on my doorstep the same day and spoil the surprise for others. Certainly defeated the purpose of pre-ordering, and of paying nearly twice the cost of the DVD to have it shipped from the US. May as well have waited for it to be available in stores here... Not a big deal, I suppose, but it's certainly not doing much to endear me to FFG, and to encourage me to go with a new edition of the game, if that's what they end up doing...

Grumble grumble...

End of rant...
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« Reply #18 on: August 18, 2009, 05:15:38 AM »

FFG was never a customer friendly company on that regard, sadly.
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« Reply #19 on: August 19, 2009, 12:45:04 PM »

Me, I'm settling in to watch my downloaded movie this evening. Probably gonna hook it up to the giant monitor in the living room, and subject everyone to our combined hopes and fears about it.

And yes, of course, I ordered the DVD too. Here's hoping it show up at some point in the next month.
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« Reply #20 on: August 19, 2009, 04:12:19 PM »

I must say that I too think that Midnight will go 4th Ed. Of course, I'm disappointed. I had my hopes that FFG will support Pathfinder.
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« Reply #21 on: August 19, 2009, 04:53:39 PM »

I must say that I too think that Midnight will go 4th Ed. Of course, I'm disappointed. I had my hopes that FFG will support Pathfinder.

They aren't necessarily mutually exclusive. The GSL prohibits publishers from simultaneously publishing material under both the OGL and GSL. Pathfinder is not OGL material. They have very firmly and cleverly avoided that entanglement.

Which means that there is a small chance that we might see official material for both systems.

Of course, even if FFG doesn't go the pathfinder route, I'd imagine that it would be a fairly simple thing to do pathfinder fan-conversions of any midnight material published under 4e. Paizo doesn't have the same fan-site restrictions that WOTC does, and as long as we don't directly reference any 4e system material we don't violate any of the legal-eze of the GSL.

Essentially, WOTC only owns the rights to the  4e and 3.5 systems, not the source material that uses them. As long as FFG doesn't have a problem with fan conversions (which it never has before), and we clearly state that our rules conversions are intended for use with the Pathfinder RPG (and not D&D 3.5) we are in the clear to use the setting however we want to.
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« Reply #22 on: August 19, 2009, 05:00:26 PM »

Yeah, I know. But... I don't know. Somehow, conversion doesn't have the same feel to it.  We have to wait and see, I suppose.
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« Reply #23 on: August 19, 2009, 05:11:36 PM »

Actually Pathfinder must be OGL or they can't use anything from the SRD at all.
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« Reply #24 on: August 19, 2009, 06:46:29 PM »

I have to chime in and say that this news is both great and distressing.  Midnight and Dark Sun are my two favorite settings and yet I can't stand 4E.  I guess I can see the possibility that it might fit Dark Sun, but Midnight?  Looks like I will be doing a lot of conversion in the years ahead.
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