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Question: Do you also like J.R.R. Tolkien's Middle Earth?
Yeah, I like Tolkien. - 22 (100%)
No, I dislike Tolkien. - 0 (0%)
Who the heck is Tolkien? - 0 (0%)
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« on: January 06, 2008, 03:18:33 PM »

I figured since Midnight has a lot of Tolkien influence (at least in my opinion) I figured I would ask the question.

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« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2008, 05:16:44 PM »


I read only LotR, so this answer only relates to that

I think he is one hell of a world builder, perhaps one of the best (i don't know, i haven't read everyone and everything else).

As a story-writer... i don't like him very much. It demanded a lot of effort on my part to read through the first half of LotR, and i was only partially captivated by the second half. I've definitely read more interesting and  stuff.

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« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2008, 08:55:53 AM »

The Hobbit is a far more enjoyable book to read actualy, and The Silmarilion has far more interesting stories in my opinion, but I am with arnon, his style does not impress me, it is just the whole concepts, that captivates me, and then Middle Earth is all that, if not for the world and elements he put in it, Lord of the rings wouldn't score high in my ratings, Harry Potter's books were far ore entertaining to read, but did not trigger as many ideas.

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« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2008, 03:21:54 PM »

I'm not impressed by Tolkien's style, which is often quite "heavy" and using archaic phrases. But as a world-builder, I'm quite impressed: he created every layer of detail to make the Middle Earth *believable*... and that is quite an amazing feat in itself. Also, I love the way he "recycled" existing myths (especially in the Silmarillion) to create powerful, "mythic" stories (read the Battles of the First Age, the story of Beren & Luthien, the story of the Turin Turambar, etc...)

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« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2008, 01:52:35 PM »

Well, yeah I like Tolkien, but I don't reread his books very often. As others have said, his books are sort of heavy to read. I find The Hobbit a much more enjoyable read than The Lord of the Rings. His work has inspired a lot of other fantasy writers, and as a pioneer he did great work, but there are more skilled fantasy writers today.

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« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2008, 05:22:23 PM »

I adore Tolkien, I adore his style.

Let me explain that one though;

Tolkien was not a typical fantasy/literature writer - not the way we know fantasy writers now. Not by a long stretch. When Tolkien began his work (and part of the reason he is such a great world builder), his intention was to create a history, a mythology for the United Kingdom. (Perhaps not very specifically for the UK, but for Britons, in a way.) The Silmarillion, for all intents and purposes, is basically the "bible" of that mythology. ...probably why I truly enjoy it the most when intoxicated...

I'd much rather have someone TELL me the stories in the Silmarillion, than to try to read them - but knowing what I know about the how's and why's, I can say that I do love the way he wrote his works. I think Tolkien has a lot of great STORIES, he just wrote it like a professor of language would write it. Large and awkward words and sentences, trying to mimic older writings of mythological origin.

The Hobbit was meant as a story, as a storybook and is thus much easier to read.

If you have the opportunity, there is a lecture series by a wonderful professor (Michael Drout http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_D._C._Drout) called "Rings, Swords, & Monsters: Exploring Fantasy Literature". It focuses heavily around Tolkien, what influenced him, and how he's influenced generations of other writers...  ...sadly, I don't know of anywhere that has it for download for free, or I'd link you right to it. It is offered through "The Modern Scholar", or "TMS". I'm sure Google would be able to help you if you typed in TMS Rings Swords and Monsters.


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